Fantasy Warriors: First order and Command range

[Belg]

Hi,
in the Rulebook nothing it is specified regarding the fact that when the deployment of the army is executed, the Commands must or may not have all the Units that depend by them in their Command range.

How do you behave?

Do You consider sending the first order as if it were a new order?

Or not and You deploy the units as you like best, without taking into account the range of command of their general?

Thank You,
Cheers,

Belg

[kaustic]

Hi Berg

Good to hear from other FW players.

How many points are you fielding against the Elves?

I would say we have gone with that you can set each command to what ever command you like at the very start. Then you only have to worry about command radius when you want to change an order.

So setting a command to HOLD at the start and then spreading the units apart means you will be stuck for the entire battle with that, unless the destruction of an out lying unit means that the remaining units in the command are now in the command radius.

Has not really been an issue so far for us.

Do you have any house rules that you would recommend?

Personally I have proposed that spears on HOLD gain an extra dice per five worth as they would on ATTACK order, but yet to be tested

[Belg]

Jul 22, 2018 20:57:59 GMT kaustic said:

Hi Berg

Good to hear from other FW players.

How many points are you fielding against the Elves?

I would say we have gone with that you can set each command to what ever command you like at the very start. Then you only have to worry about command radius when you want to change an order.

So setting a command to HOLD at the start and then spreading the units apart means you will be stuck for the entire battle with that, unless the destruction of an out lying unit means that the remaining units in the command are now in the command radius.

Has not really been an issue so far for us.

Do you have any house rules that you would recommend?

Personally I have proposed that spears on HOLD gain an extra dice per five worth as they would on ATTACK order, but yet to be tested

Hi Kaustic,

in the battle we are playing, Elves vs. Orcs, we use 3000 army points and 1000 magic points.

Regarding the orders:

in our "Naran" rulebook we added the variant that when the deployment is done all the commands must have all the Units and Individuals that depend on them within their Command range. This was done to prevent, for example, that a Barbarian Warchief or Battle Leader could be placed in the center of the table, while the Mammouth and the Rhinoceros on his orders could be deployed at the two opposite ends of the table respectively, in order to attack, so to perform a simultaneous attack maneuver against both sides of the enemy lineup. And other similar cases, in which the change of orders is not considered because it does not interest to do so. Now that we are reviewing the "Naran" rules for the new edition, we asked ourselves whether or not to keep our "home rule". I think yes. But we tried to ask "around" to hear the opinions of others.
Thank you very much for your answer.

[Belg]

We discussed in the "Committee" (paraphrasing Han Solo) the question of the deployment of the Units within the Command range and we are considering the restoration of the original rule in the evening, leaving the widest choice at the discretion of the player. Therefore it is possible that in the next new edition of the Compendium of Naran this our home rule will be omitted.

[Katie]

So I think it represents the "standing orders" for the army -- and comes with the cost of not easily being able to change the order later.

It does make me wonder about the order changing mechanism. You'd expect the result of trying to change the order on a battle which isn't gathered together would be units left obeying the old order...

[Belg]

Following the original rule allows you to deploy your forces as you are most comfortable without the restriction of making sure that all Units are within the Command range of their Battle Leaders / Warchief.



This of course means that if you do not deploy your Unit within their range of command, then you will not be able to send them a new order.



Nothing, however, forbids you from maneuvering to bring the Units that are outside the range of command within it.



In some cases it does not matter, because the player expects to not have to change the order to one or more commands, keeping for them what they received at the time of deployment.

[kaustic]

So summarise and let me know what you think

1 At the start all units in a command must be in command radius of the battle leader.

2 when a battle leader successfully received a new order from the war leader only the units in his radius take it on . Separated units remain on the old one. Or maybe have the isolated unit default to hold until they get the message. That would stop a unit on attack just wandering across the battlefield with a messenger vainly running behind waving a piece of paper in the air

3 The battle leader/ messanger/ courier will automatically update a units orders once they get in range.

[Belg]

Aug 2, 2018 19:43:49 GMT kaustic said:

So summarise and let me know what you think

1 At the start all units in a command must be in command radius of the battle leader.

2 when a battle leader successfully received a new order from the war leader only the units in his radius take it on . Separated units remain on the old one. Or maybe have the isolated unit default to hold until they get the message. That would stop a unit on attack just wandering across the battlefield with a messenger vainly running behind waving a piece of paper in the air

3 The battle leader/ messanger/ courier will automatically update a units orders once they get in range.

Hi, Kaustic,

Not exactly like that. I try to explain myself better, as far as I can , considering my not too much knowledge of English..


1. The F.W. Rulebook provides that after the armies have deployed, from someone they are "sent" the orders to which the Commands must submit. If the Warchief has some Units in his Command he will also "receive" an order. It is not specified who has been to "send" the orders. It can be assumed that - according to logic - he should have been the Warchief, with the funny situation that  he would have sent one order to himself!


2, We asked ourselves the question: do the Battle Leaders (and obviously the Warchief) have to have all the units within their Command range? Nothing is said about this in the Rulebokk.


3. With the previous versions of the "Naran" Rulebook, our revised and updated version of the FW Rulebook, we inserted the rule that required Warchief and Battle Leaders to have all the Units and also all the Individuals within their Command range, because to us so it seemed more logical and correct.



4. Now, in making the new 2018 edition of the "Naran" Rulebook, we asked ourselves whether to maintain our restrictive rule, or no longer to put it and instead leave it as written in the original Rulebook.

In your opinion, which of the two options is the most correct?

Thank you.